Dialogs On Consciousness With Living Master Akshara

2009-04-13T01:58:00.000-07:00

DIALOG -19

Are thoughts in space, and is space contained in consciousness?

MASTER : Thoughts are not in space, but thoughts are made of space and also they have space outside for movement. The thought is not a problem but the coating of 'I' on every thought is the problem.

The ego, the interpretations are a problem?

MASTER: Yes, if you see the car as car then its ok, but 'my' car is a problem the 'I' and 'my' are two coatings on every thought.

If these two are not there, the rest is truth that is consciousness?

MASTER : At one stage it is to be understood like that, but the actual truth is that there is no problem with "I" and 'My' also, but the problem is when they think they only exist on their own, and not supported by the consciousness or a subtler power, then it gets into a serious mess, but the same 'I' and 'my' function with the clear understanding that they do not exist on their own but is backed by consciousness, then it is all fine.

Every thing is an expression of consciousness.

MASTER: True, including the ego, but when ego wants to survive by its own strength it is in trouble, that is the symptom of most people suffering in the world..

Knowing that every thing is being supported by the consciousness no matter what it is, is the truth?

MASTER: That is half-truth; the other half is 'being' it.

Being consciousness?

MASTER: Being is consciousness, pure consciousness is ‘being’, knowing and doing is manifested consciousness.

This is what I cannot understand.

MASTER: I know but its pretty close.

Knowing that every thing is supported by the consciousness no matter what it is, is the truth?

MASTER : This is a old habit of knowing or doing and never being IT, knowing and doing also is consciousness, but it manifest as knowledge (knowing), and as action (doing), but the being is unmanifest and there is no attribution to it, so it appears difficult..

Then how am I supposed to be if there is no attribution?

MASTER: How implies 'knowledge' you may know how to ‘Be’ after I explain, but actually 'Being' is different from 'Knowing', and then trying to 'do' the 'Being'.

I have to know and do, but to BE it has nothing to do with the knowing and doing.?

MASTER: Rather Being is the basis of knowing and doing.

Being = Consciousness

Knowing = Mind

Doing = Body

Without doing the knowing alone can exist, without doing or knowing the being can still exist. But without being, the knowing is not possible, without knowing the doing is not possible, knowing and doing both are dependant on being always.

I understand that the being supports knowing and doing. Can Being exist independent of the knowing and doing ?

MASTER: Body needs mind to function, without mind body is dead. It cannot operate on its own but without body, mind can function similarly, mind cannot function without consciousness but consciousness can be there without body or mind, so when the mind starts to think that its independent and is driving the body on 'its own' then it gets in to deep trouble for reasons as follows

1. The ignorance (avidya) that even to think oneself to be independent, the mind needs the back up from consciousness.

2. To consider oneself as the boss and look at world as "I" and 'MY" and ignoring or not knowing the existence of the atman or consciousness.

Ok, all along the mind has been thinking that it is the doer but actually, the consciousness is the doer ?

MASTER: Not the doer but the driving force for the doer, electricity itself is not light only bulb can provide light but bulb by itself cannot provide it.

Without the driving force of the consciousness, the mind cannot function.

MASTER: Consciousness does not even know that its doing anything or knowing anything in fact consciousness cannot know or do anything but that is not ignorance.

It is the force.

MASTER: Yes, blind force which can be channeled by mind for knowing, and body for doing like bulb for burning and AC for cooling, but when the bulb and AC start to think they are independent and burning and cooling on their own, then one day when there is a power shut down, they start to wonder, same time the electricity alone cannot do anything unless, there is a bulb, and AC vent, a fridge etc, electricity needs a medium to express or manifest.

Consciousness needs a medium to manifest and it is the mind?

MASTER: Exactly and so is the body too. It manifests as everything, the comparison of electricity ends at some point because electricity manifests 'in' everything like bulb - AC - Fridge - TV - Computer with different purposes but consciousness does not manifest 'in' but 'as' this world,that is while electricity and bulb are two different factors so it manifests 'in' the bulb, but consciousness and world (body, mind) are not two separate things but the same consciousness converts itself as mind and body. Electricity may not be present in the handle of the fridge or in the trays and the contents of fridge, if it is present then it can be a shocking experience, but consciousness is present in mind and body fully.

Mind and body are medium for consciousness, consciousness expresses as everything.

MASTER: Yes, the creator and created are the same.

I do not understand this.

MASTER: Consciousness = Creator (god)

Body, Mind = Created (man)

Only mistake is that the body and mind starts to think they are independent and are not aware of the presence of consciousness, so there is a division, which is called as duality or dvaita. When the mind knows the presence of consciousness and knows that it is the same then that mind is liberated which is called as advaita or non-duality.

That knowing happens on its own?

MASTER: You contemplate this much for now we will go further next step later...

Ok its very deep, subtle.

MASTER: When mind is lost in the surface matters, then the knowledge of the 'self' will appear too deep or subtle, but the ‘distance’ between body and consciousness is almost nil, body and mind and consciousness are just the same like,

Ice cube = body

Water = mind

Vapor = consciousness

Three different forms of the same thing...

Yes, this is easy to understand.

MASTER: Same vapor goes above, becomes clouds, and brings water as rains and then the water is stored in the fridge as ice, and then again melt when placed outside in the heat then from the heated water, the vapor releases, and escape in to the atmosphere...

One and the same thing.

MASTER: But mind thinks it is the 'only' thing and its problem is the 'only' problem.

2009-04-07T03:21:00.001-07:00

DIALOG - 18

Master, I had been listening to your CD on ‘PURPOSE OF LIFE’.

MASTER: Does it sound any different?

I’m listening from a different perspective.

MASTER: What’s the perspective?

Drop every idea and just BE in the NOW.

MASTER : So what’s the purpose then?

There is no purpose, every time I drift to the future then come back to the present.

MASTER: Drifting to the future is all about future. It’s all about purpose. Mind with a purpose alone goes to future.

Old habit of the mind to slip in to the future.

MASTER: Its not just habit, but when mind is filled with a purpose or purposes, then it starts projecting a period to achieve that purpose, a way to achieve it, a method, a technique to achieve, then a path, then shortcut, then the fear of not achieving it, then get desperate to achieve it and even if the purpose is achieved soon that very mind hankers for something else, some new purpose and then again it runs in the race to reach somewhere. Meanwhile it becomes a habit for the mind to always nurture a purpose so that it feels good as if it is busy as if it is occupied and the fear of being jobless is defeated and fear of facing the present moment also gone and mind is fed with some distant golden days so that the present moment can be tolerated.

To get through the present moment the mind is feeding on a golden future?

MASTER: What’s that?

I’m asking does the fear of being in the present cause me to go to the future and build up a golden day?

MASTER: Yes, because the present moment seems meaningless most times, and even if it’s good,the fear of losing it drives the mind to project a distant period where the good times will remain forever..

Yes Master, I think good always carries the fear of being lost.

MASTER : That’s when the mind develops a purpose to sustain goodness in future permanently. When the mind already wants to preserve good times for the future times it already missed the present good times.

Yes, I understand that, I remind myself that the good and the bad are not real but only projections of the mind. All the projections of the mind like fear, happiness, good, bad not to be taken as real, but it is taking time to percolate.

MASTER : Yes, but if the mind wakes up to the present moment, however boring and meaningless it may appear,then suddenly the same drab moment comes alive, same loneliness disappear and replaced by lots of freshness and inspiration, even a simple fluttering of the leaf in a plant is enough to get you feel exuberant..

Yes, I experience that when I watch nature, the way the leaves sway in the breeze I’ve never seen them the same way, when a feather falls every movement as it sways in the breeze is so fascinating.

MASTER: Great! the difference will be that earlier on something that happened outside made you happy and fascinated but when you wake up to the present moment then you are already fascinated, inspired, that you would see everything from those eyes only and when you see from those eyes then even most ordinary things will appear extraordinarily beautiful...

I seem to loose it when I’m not in nature but watching TV or cooking or shopping but when I look outside everything comes alive.

MASTER: So that’s the transition stage where the outside things still decide the state of your mind, TV can make you feel something and tree can make you feel something else. They can trigger differently. Which means you are yet to center in yourself but holding on to outside matter, but once you have centered in your own being then no matter what happens you would be the same, TV or Tree all the same and with or without them you remain the same...

‘Centered in the being’ happens by being in the now, remaining more and more in the present?

MASTER:Let me repeat because I told even earlier that you need not have to be in the present because you CANNOT be in any other period of time other than present but the mind seem to bring past and future to the present and cloud it so even though you are in present you still seem to be experiencing the past and future..

YES, I’m remembering that I’m always in the PRESENT only.

MASTER: Not just you but everything, the whole universe is in the present only they can ONLY be in the present but only human mind alone is capable of bringing old stuff, like if you wear yesterday's clothes does not mean you are in the yesterday,but you are in the present day only but just that you seem to carry the yesterday stuff today too so also the thoughts of the past brought along to the present and cover the present.

Yes the present is lost because of past experiences that come to the present moment.

MASTER: And you don’t drift in to past or future, but it is said like that to people whose understanding is poor and gross and perhaps understand only that way..

Thank you Master ! I’m clear now about that now !

2009-04-07T03:08:00.001-07:00

DIALOG -17

MASTER : So you have decided to 'Be' and not ‘Become’ anymore?

Yes decided to BE.

Then BECOME happens.

MASTER: But to 'Be' is out of no choice? Is it a forceful desperate move or a hard decision or a natural happening?

To BE is natural.

MASTER: In your case I mean.

No it’s not desperate or forceful, but slipping naturally, the awareness that I am a human being and life is happening through me !

MASTER : Ok. Does it leave you with matters unsettled of future and past? If yes, explain how?

Just now there is no unsettled past or future.

MASTER: You mean you are not sure if this state would remain for long and can slip out anytime?

Yes, I’m not sure because only when I get triggered of something I slip and I become aware of it too.

MASTER : Of slipping in or out?

Yes, of the present moment, slipping out of the NOW.

MASTER: Then it is clear that you can be easily pushed out? Out of the 'BE' state.

Only because I'm not sure if all the blocks are removed.

MASTER : One can’t be dreaming of being in the BEING without anyone making an entry from the past. .

May I know what does that mean?

MASTER: You answer my earlier questions then we will come to this point.

Once truly in the BEING there is no slipping out.If I’m not sure then I’m not in the being but only dreaming of being in the being?

MASTER : Exactly ! What are the things significantly different from being and becoming, in your understanding?

Being is anchored in the NOW, becoming is of the future.

MASTER : If no one triggered you, you may choose to remain in the Being, Is that Correct?

Yes with awareness it’s possible to stay anchored to the now.

MASTER : Finally you point the finger at situations or circumstances for pushing you out of your BEING and not bringing you there.?

I know all the situations are only aligning me !

MASTER: If you realize that your 'BEING' can be rattled easily, and that you should get even more steadied,than to point a finger at some thing else responsible for your slipping out,then probably you miss the point..

Yes Master, its about “ being aware of the BEING”, being there naturally, accepting all the changes outside.But why I can't sustain it always? Why I should slip ?

MASTER: Yes, Something can be 'triggered' only if it is already there. Cannot trigger what is not there. So do you want to sustain everything under carpet and imagine that you are doing great?

No, definitely not.

MASTER: Do you want to blame because some situation exposed the dust beneath carpet?

Want to get the dust beneath completely out !

MASTER : That’s precisely what I have been trying to say all the time. Till the day you see people only from the present, and not from the past, be assured that there is dust beneath and your BEING can go for a toss.

Yes, that’s true, need to do that, when there is no interaction with a person after some bitter past event,then when I see the person in the present and not interacting in the present, then only the past events linger, because what changes have happened in between is not seen.

MASTER : In a way mind is refusing to see the changes that happened,because it is strongly stuck up with the past, still it wants to believe it is in the Being.

Yes, the changes are happening but mind is stuck up in the past and not seeing the changes happening !

MASTER : It is far more dangerous to imagine oneself to be in the Being while actually the mind is struggling to settle scores with the past distant events.

Yes, I’m becoming aware of that now.

MASTER: Even if the other person see you from the past, you still cannot afford to do the same.In fact, the best way to conquer an enemy is not to see him/her from the past but from ONLY the present, and that is such a potent weapon which can destroy not the enemy but the enmity totally. Then the enemy turns as a friend and a lover.

True Master, I should see the person in the present only !

MASTER : There is no need to compromise or console or sort out but just fresh and straight from this moment without any load of the past.

Master, have to work on this one !

MASTER : let us see. Go ahead !

2009-04-07T02:51:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 16

I’m still watching, which are all the areas I’m insecure.

MASTER: And strengthen those areas? So that you don’t feel insecure?

Yes, I’m strengthening those areas, by not giving value to it but being aware that these are the areas that make me insecure.

MASTER: Instead of watching which areas, you should ask why this insecurity happens.

I should question it?

MASTER: You need to ask the origin of insecurity, you need to question from where it starts and how and by what means it is sustained.

Just the belief system that was embedded that life is about maintaining security which means it is sustained by constantly doing things to fulfill that, whether it is in relationships or money or a place.

MASTER: It is the belief of a particular lifestyle against which the security is sought and when things don’t happen or seem to not happen then there seem to be insecurity.

Yes. not to give value to that idea of security, not to keep insecurity as the central theme of life but accept that every thing just happens just the way it should and this I need to keep reminding myself.

MASTER: Need not be. Only due dates and deadlines need reminders, but this one needs only clarity, when there is clarity as a result of contemplation then there is no need for a reminder.

Yes, I understand now.

MASTER.: The reminder is only when it is not your own understanding but just an information from outside but when the knowledge about security or insecurity is your own then there is no need for reminders.

Yes to make it my own understanding.

MASTER: Even that needs no reminder but only an urge to free oneself is required.

That’s true the mind can relax and settle in the NOW. I mean the mind relaxes and settles in the now.

MASTER : You always seem to know what is right but just the application is missing at times..

Yes, I have been trying to bring it to the NOW whenever there was awareness but now it seems to happen naturally.

MASTER: Trying to settle down in the present is not the way to start with, but to remove all the strings first from the past and future and then settling in the present is automatic.

Master what does removing the strings involve?

MASTER: To accept the way it has gone so far as the natural way and to accept what is in store as the natural way in future.

Yes Master, then the taking responsibility is dropped.

MASTER : Rather the idea of getting past mistakes corrected or regretting the past or missing the past etc is dropped, because you tie a string to something only to control that particular thing in life. You keep tying up strings with people and incidents or events hoping to pull them in a direction you think is right. It gives you some sense of security.

String is a connecting idea ?

MASTER : Yes, also controlling !

The mind thinks it has to control, but now mind has to be in tune?

MASTER: Yes, control seems to give security but always it ends in tragedy. But being in tune appears as insecurity but that actually ends in freedom.

OK, this is an idea too master?

MASTER : Yes, because it is not yet an experience, till then its an idea.

Then in life, everything just goes on?

MASTER : What else you think? Still your hand opens the tap for water and still your mouth has to open to eat and, because the fallacy in understanding will be if everything happens on its own then why I should do anything?

No, still doing what ever has to be done.

MASTER : Things happen but they happen through you, the fallacy is to think that you are making it happen.

Yes, that was the thought always.

MASTER : That’s the trick of the mind to imagine itself that it is the source and the supreme boss of everything that happens to self .

The mind always imagined that it was the source and thought it was the doer.

MASTER : True !

Now the mind realizes its not the doer and the source is elsewhere, the source is the doer?

MASTER: Mind is the doer with the help of body but that which makes the mind to do is elsewhere lying quietly. Like the bulb imagining after a few days of burning that it burns by itself, but the electricity is quiet and hidden.

That which is lying quietly how it can be experienced?

MASTER : Experience is an idea again but experiencing the hidden self is not possible only because it is not a thing to experienced .

Just know that its there?

MASTER : Realize

Realize?

MASTER : That it is there.

Realize that the source is there, is an idea, if not then its an experience?

MASTER : The experience is there but it is not the experience of the hidden self. It is the experience of the free mind, after the realization that the mind now is no more the grumpy one it used to be, it is more fluid and free and not rigid and defined, and as a result there is an experience of being light and free, which is not to be mistaken to be the experience of the hidden self .

The mind realizing that there is no need to control and is a free mind, and becomes more fluid so its experience is light and relaxed, the experience is of the mind only but the actions are from the source. The mind realizes that there is a source and it need not take control and can just relax as everything is happening already just the way it should only I did not realize it .The mind thought that it was making or had to make it happen, this is the self realization. Just the mind realizes that everything was a man made idea and now realizes it just needs to sit down quietly and just be.

MASTER: Very good mind does not experience the hidden self but only realizes that it is not the boss but the boss is still deeper at the back.

What do you mean by back?

MASTER : Because if you consider eyes looking to the front then mind is at the back of it and if mind is looking front then the consciousness is at the back of it .It is just a hypothesis...

Yes I remember the Pancha Koshas.

MASTER: Yes

OK, it’s clear Master.

MASTER: Read the posts again with this new understanding it would make a lot more sense.

Yes master, I would read it again with this new understanding.

2009-03-07T05:29:00.000-08:00

DIALOG - 15

I’m feeling insecure and don’t know what I should do.

MASTER: First of all it should be clear whether

1. Life is about looking for security, or

2. To go beyond the need for security.

Which means whether you look for it from outside or inside it does not matter.

Oh! Security is not a need?

MASTER: The need for security itself is questionable because the basic question will be security from what?

Can’t answer that, don’t know Master.

MASTER: 1. Seeking security is ignorance.

2. Seeking without knowing why, is deeper ignorance. However, is life all about fulfilling the ignorant ideas? Like security and happiness through certain relationships etc? As we were made to believe?

Security gives stability is my belief.

MASTER: Where there is security around it’s a sign of insecurity being protected. Like the VIPs the more they are insecure, the highest security is required, and the stability that comes from security cannot be stable because the security guards keep changing or sometimes that which you think secures will attack also.

Yes, I realize that now what secures can also cause insecurity.

MASTER: Like how Indira Gandhi was shot dead by her own security people like a police man raping woman (very common in this country) which means whatever security felt which brings stability cannot be appreciated and is totally against spirituality.

Stability comes from insecurity?

MASTER: That’s still holding on to security you want to keep security as the central theme in life which is in itself wrong. Security or insecurity both are very narrow ideas of a very limited mind.

Two sides of the same coin. Then what is life about?

MASTER: In other words security as the parameter to decide about your life as happy or not. Security becomes a need only when you are afraid of your ideas about life, when they don’t become true you feel insecure .As long as the norms of life is somewhere met you feel safe and secure.

What are the norms of life?

MASTER: Like a loving husband - obedient child - weekend gatherings - good house to live – etc

Yes, that’s so true.

MASTER: But that’s going to be living side by side with the hidden fears of what would happen if anyone of those factors missing. Or, in fact what if really one of those factors suddenly missed?

Yes, that fear also exists of loosing what gives security.

MASTER: So all happy people who live in security right now of a great happy life have these fears always lurking inside and such a life is called as 'Bondage'.

So life is just lived. Everything is just an idea.?

MASTER : Yes ALL of them and when ideas are constantly entertained then it becomes beliefs and when beliefs are stuck on to you then beliefs become the way of life and that’s how you see the billions of people around the world running for security all the time, and still feeling insecure.

So when the mind is empty fully then it has no such ideas and life is just lived?

MASTER: Mind need not empty itself of ideas but just know that these ideas are man made and be aware that such ideas have been fed from the time you were born so they may continue to hang around and its good because at least for others sake you should know what it is all about even though it may not mean anything to you..

Yes, Master.

MASTER: That is how i deal with all these security and insecurity aspects because i know what it means to the world and people but i do not like to entertain personally speaking, i like to pay attention in fact provide security to many in words and assurance.“everything is going to be alright, don't be afraid etc" but myself not seeking security of a job or relationship or anything only because my understanding is clear that the need for security is just an idea and in fact the successful Guru is he who make everyone feel secured that’s what makes him special and 'powerful' and popular too but as long as he is keeping under security cover spread by him he is only keeping them in ignorancebut the true spiritual knowledge is where the idea of security itself is thrown off to the dustbin and that’s only when you can think of any spiritual enlightenment. An end to life's all forms of misery.

Grateful to you Master.

MASTER: They should not be just words and you should know if you really mean it because it should come when there is a clear understanding happened and not as a reply for something complicating true but cannot be practiced, because i have heard such grateful thing from many people who just belt it out simply when they did no know what to say..

No, it’s not that way Master a shift has happened. It needs some application it’s a relief.

MASTER: Yes, you will breathe so free and feel so good far better than the secured feeling.

Yes, I feel so free.

MASTER : Its like feeling good with the security guards as you go for shopping like the VIPs or just take a walk on your own and do the shopping both parties can feel good but the sense of freedom does not belonged to the secured goodness.

Right now i feel the breathe flowing freely and can’t think of any other feeling.

MASTER: That’s about it, its not that you don’t care about security that’s wrong thing again because still the security factor remains and just that you don’t care... there are many such people living out there who appear carefree and don’t bother about security.Which means in their minds security is still a meaningful concept but just that they don’t care and usually people who claim such things will be either well placed or totally displaced but security is a matter of concern only for those who live in the middle neither this extreme of having nothing to lose nor having enough to last several lifetimes but in between .The majority is always running for security covers but the point is it is not rejecting security but it is understanding the idea called security that IT DOES NOT EXIST...

Not rejecting security and understanding the idea called security. “Not existing” seems contradictory I am not clear on this.

MASTER: Rejecting security is to mean that one is not afraid of being insecure which means the person still gives value to the idea called security but understanding the security concept as man made and that it exists in human life and everyone is after that and such a thing is just an idea only and not a reality and this understanding is not rejection.

Know that it exist but not be bound by it.

MASTER: Know that it exists but do not give value to it like so many stupid ideologies that exists amidst us.

Ok, not giving any value to it.

MASTER: We know its stupid thing but still as if following it but deep inside it’s only a joke and not given any importance...but this one is a serious idea so it seem to haunt deeper.

Yes, very true that’s exactly what i was thinking Master, whole life I was living seeking security.

MASTER: It’s just the innate need to keep things under control when you know house is locked and the car is parked and lights are off then it gives you a feeling of having control Over your life that gives a secure feeling and that’s what we finally come to think of as happiness in life...

Yes, that’s what’s been going on.

MASTER: Children studying well husband brings money and relationships are admiringly looking and the neighborhood is quite respecting etc all these are the necessary ingredients of “security’.

Yes, Very true for very long i believed that.

MASTER: Even now bits and pieces of it are left hanging around inside you.

Yes, Master.

MASTER: But the gross mind immediately jumps to the other extreme saying ok i don’t care anymore for security i like to live without any security so i don’t shut the door or lock the car or do not bother to buy groceries for the next week and don’t bother to work.Nor i do that because the rest of the world believes in it then he is doomed too both ways to seek security and also to seek to be insecure can cause bondage the freedom comes from rising above the need for security that can happen with the following,

1. Asking a question what security mean to you?

2. How do you get it?

3. Will you remain secure forever if you get it?

4. What will happen if that disappears someday? Etc

Then ask again

1. What am i trying to secure me from?

2. What am i trying to secure for?

3. What it is to be insecure?

What happens in insecurity? can I face it ever in my life fully? because you must have only got indications of insecurity but never insecure at this moment because insecurity is always with reference to future only and never TO THE MOMENT so despite my screaming down CD after CD still the mind can always loiter in to the insecure future ..

If I’m insecure i could be insecure in the moment. A particular situation caused insecurity which happened in the past. Is it not?

MASTER: Never you cannot feel insecure for what is happening in the moment but only for something that might happen in future or happened in the past...It is usually how i am going to deal with this kind of moment. Like right now you could be the most secured person in the whole of India with a nice place to live and all the space and time than running to some job somewhere but doing what you probably like being creative and without too much of bickering relationships etc with sufficient money in the bank to live and car to drive etc but still you can comfortably feel insecure ,where as the millions that you may see on the roads without a basic means for a decent living may not feel as much as you do.

Yes, Master having all I still feel insecure.

MASTER: The fellow waiting in the bus stop with 5 rupee note in the pocket security comes if he could reach home within that money.

It’s just doing things without the feeling of security driving the action.

MASTER: Yes, because you have nothing to protect yourself from or protect yourself for what happens happens it’s been happening all the time.

Yes, only i thought i had some control over it.

MASTER : Yes, that control is what they call happiness even now everything can appear to be under control to some people but they are just fooling themselves so life goes on this way and there is neither security nor insecurity possible because the idea is man made it exists but not really, which means you would live a life of security and do all that it takes to be secure so that people consider you to be normal but not getting obsessed with it and not banking on security for a life full of happiness. But just adapting to it and not getting gripped by it that’s where the awareness comes to help why i keep insisting on awareness is for that to be aware of the ideas and not become a victim to them that brings a balance and stability in life.

Awareness that the idea of security is strong in the world and in order to appear normal to the world i would live as though making myself secure but deep within i know that there is no such concept actually.

MASTER: That such a concept is not real. It is not real and everything just happens. The concept is real but the credibility of the concept is not real.

It's real to the world but for me i don’t give it credibility.

MASTER: Yes, you are neither for it nor against it because it simply does not exist to you.

Yes, but i need to be aware of how real it is to the world.

MASTER: That indeed you know very well.

Yes, Master.

MASTER: You need to be aware, how much of this concept is influencing you.

Yes, that’s true, how much I’m influenced by it.

MASTER: Option no. 1. To live in security and feel terribly insecure inside about future.

Option no 2. To live as if not bothered about security but always secretly demanding it.

Option no 3. Living in security and hoping it would remain just that way.

Option no 4. Living in insecurity and hoping it would get alright someday.

Option no 5. Despite all security feeling terribly insecure for no reason.

All of these variations are what people usually choose, but if you are truly spiritual then

you have the best option and that is to rise above the idea called security. With clear understanding no one can protect anyone or no one can destroy anyone. Whatever protection or destruction is happening just the way it is meant to be.

Yes, Master i understand that everything happens.

MASTER: But the spiritual gurus don’t have the guts to say that instead they project themselves as saviors and that’s what people want. They go to a guru wanting some shield of protection for oneself and for the family and the guru is too willing to provide the cover and make them feel 'happy'.

Yes, that is what is happening everywhere.

MASTER : They expect me to do the same i have done that too but every time i bring the topic of rising above insecurity then it appears i am driving them to feel insecure or i reject them which means there are only two options left for a guru,

1.Make an attempt at telling people not to bank on him or anyone for security (which is the truth) but very soon they will call him a selfish guru and run to someone else.

2. To promise everyone that he would take care of them not only this life time.

but for the next seven lives then he is a good and powerful guru and people are grateful and dedicate all their lives for the service. To talk about Truth is the greatest curse for a guru and to tell lies and maintain them all then life seem to be the greatest divine grace bestowed on the guru.

Yes, Master I see that.

MASTER: Still worse they would suspect a guru who says don’t hang around for security as someone not doing his job and to tell someone that the inner strength and clarity from within will drive away such fears of insecurity makes them immediately suspect that "this guru can’t do anything" forgetting he is the one who gave the knowledge of the strength from within but glorify him endlessly as long as he said " I am taking care of your life and supplying strength all the time ".

People don’t want to make an effort they want everything easy is it like that?

MASTER: Revere the guru as long as he 'protected' him and reject the guru when he said ' freedom lied within you and not from me ' and people don’t want to make an effort.It is true and if you carefully observe that’s the root cause for security seeking also that instead of resting on one's own self we decide to bank on so many factors around for security which is also the same dependency on the world to make me feel secured. It is not any different from expecting and depending on the guru to find protection instead finding the ways to freedom and liberation...

Yes, understanding that one has to find it within and the guru can only show the way.

MASTER: Not guru can only show the way but Guru should only show the way even the statement guru 'can only show the way' tells the dejection from the disciple that he expected total protection and now come to know this truth and the next step is to throw that guru out side the window because he taught the truth and refused to accept the savior role..

They reject the guru cause he didn’t promise porection?

MASTER: If the guru is of no use for self protection and if the guru keeps repeatingthat everything is within you then they come to a conclusion that if everything is within me why do we need you? So get lost... this is one weird behavior of people that most gurus tell that they will protect and sustain their lives the people are so selfish and they go to a guru and glorify the guru not because the guru is great but because he can protect them and if they know he cannot protect (even if he is showing the path to freedom) then they will not hesitate to denounce him.

They don’t want the truth but protection?

MASTER : For example they will remove all the pictures in their house of the guru because hanging the guru's picture is only to supply protection and perform miracles.

Ok, they are looking for miracles only and not the truth.

MASTER: They can never see the pictures of the guru as a reminder of what he taught when one sees the picture of the guru he should be reminded of the teachings of the guru than looking for some vibhooti in the picture.

2009-01-25T10:08:00.000-08:00

DIALOG -14

MASTER: What is that question you were asking last on consciousness, which was stopped half way through?

What is the role of the mind and the intellect in realization? To realize the self, do we use the intellect?

MASTER: Intellect is used everywhere every time.

Mind is emotions and the intellect decisions?

MASTER: Yes, mind suggests based on emotions and intellect analyses the suggestions and then decides.

Awareness of the mind and the intellect is SELF ?

MASTER: By the self, yes. But you should remember that self (consciousness) is not aware of something else. It is not even aware of it because it is awareness ITSELF.

Awareness to the awareness?

MASTER : Like sun cannot heat up itself, because it is the source of heat, and sun does not plan to heat up this earth but earth draws the heat from sun.

That’s easy to understand .

MASTER: So also the consciousness is awareness itself, and is not aware OF something else but mind draws its ability to be aware from the self...

When i'm aware of the mind and the intellect that awareness is consciousness itself ?

MASTER : Not exactly!

Oh ! then what exactly it is?

MASTER :Mind is aware of itself and the intellect with the help of the consciousness at the background .

When i say i am aware of the emotions then the i here is awareness and the emotions are the mind when i say i’m aware of the intellect i is the awareness and the decision is the intellect? This awareness is the backdrop? Recognizing the awareness factor?

MASTER: Yes, basically the PURE consciousness is not in need to be aware of ANYTHING BECAUSE IT IS AWARENESS ITSELF but the mind is trying to be aware of many things like heat and cold, love and hatred and good and bad etc and mind has this awareness ability due to consciousness so the mind is constantly aware of so many things from the time it wakes up, like what time is it now, what day, month, year ,season, the plans for the day the past incidents, the regrets, guilt, fear, jealousy everything but during meditation it is coming face to face with the things it is aware of by itself.

No, i didn't understand the last line - it is coming face to face with the things it is aware of by itself.

MASTER: By itself Consciousness is aware of itself but mind is only aware OF OTHER things INCLUDING ITSELF. While sun is heat but the solar power panels can heat up everything and also get heated in the sun.

Mind is aware of things outside and is aware of the mind but is not aware of the awareness of the mind.

MASTER : Usually Yes, but in meditation it can become aware of the fact that it can be aware.

Ok, I get it . The mind is supported by the consciousness and in mediation awareness of the consciousness happens.

MASTER : Yes and when Mind stops being aware OF other things Including itself and just remains then it becomes AWARENESS itself. That is the state of consciousness.

This needs some conscious effort !

MASTER : When the mind recognized the fact that there is something more powerful is driving the mind to be aware then it is lot more easier.

Right now it feels a bit strenuous.

MASTER : May be because mind is used to the fact that it always believed itself to be the final authority.

Yes, Now to recognize the awareness.

MASTER : So the mind will throw all tantrums when it has to hand over the credit to consciousness it would exercise its own powers of delusion, Illusion, and confusion so that the focus is shifted again and the consciousness is forgotten...

Already I feel the resistance a strain.

MASTER : Sometimes fear will grip .It’s the fear of losing all the dreams and desires secretly nurtured by the mind hoping that the mind is capable of fulfilling them but when the mind realizes that there is consciousness and without it nothing happens Then it starts to revolt...

Revolt as in resistance?

MASTER: Yes, all the same but it’s ok because slowly it gives up the grip, and it cannot be expected to give up its grip suddenly. When the mind knows well that to recognize the presence of consciousness (greater power) is for its betterment only and it is not detrimental to itself then it will not resist...

Ok , I need to work on this thought.

MASTER : Because mind thinks that it is the end of its own life when the realization of consciousness happened so it panics itself but it should know that to recognize, to realize and to reunite with consciousness is to only empower the mind with more things and it DOES NOT MEAN DEATH.

I don’t understand re unite .

MASTER : Mind was not able to recognize the presence of consciousness, only because the consciousness is always hidden in the mind itself. That’s some kind of unitedness but mind was ignorant about that unitedness (or oneness) but now after recognizing the presence of consciousness hidden inside the mind as though reunites with the consciousness with full knowledge and Awareness. The re union is a symbolic statement but the fact is mind and consciousness have never been separate, only difference is earlier mind thought consciousness is somewhere else and now it knows that it is hidden within then it becomes ONE again which is like a UNION.

Earlier mind was searching outside and settling outside in the world now it knows that what it is searching is the consciousness and will settle within.

MASTER : YES, the indication for such settling is when the mind becomes silent and still and not nagging Or fearing Or doubting Or anything it has been doing all the time but remains naturally quiet and content.

In other words all the rattling will stop.

MASTER : TRUE

OK ! Got it master!

MASTER : Good, contemplate more on these lines we will get back again.

2008-11-18T00:24:00.000-08:00

DIALOG -13

Master I’m learning to not let the minds interpretations influence me.

MASTER : Me = Mind

Mind’s interpretations = Your interpretations.

My interpretations, Yes

MASTER : You are the mind

Mind = You

The changeless state is also me. My interpretations are there and the changeless state as a backdrop.

MASTER: Yes

Realizing the present moment is actually fine,the interpretations of fear, depression become weak and disappear.

MASTER: Then slate gets clean.

How much is there? Master it seems endless.

MASTER: Which?

The interpretations of fear and depression etc getting triggered, will this always be there ?

MASTER: No, once the you (mind) reached to the present moment fully then there is no chance of fear or depression because both function only in the fields of future and past...

In the present the past or the future is getting triggered so it’s as though the present is depressing?

MASTER : Yes mind brings in past memories (experiences) and impose it on present moment then that leads to fear (of future).

Then also with a new understanding that i have build up an imagination of how life should be and realizing that it need not happen that way.

MASTER : Yes you can start building plans and ideas for future based on present which also is slipping out to the future or bringing the future to the present even before it happened. To stay anchored in the present needs total awareness. Basically if the importance given to the past and future is withdrawn then you (mind) automatically settle down (anchored) in the present.

YES, its actually about dropping the value given to past and future.

MASTER: Yes in a way however good or bad the past and future do not hold water in the present as the present is a totally new moment and independent of the past and future .

And everything seems to be changing constantly.

MASTER: Yes then how can we compare details from the past to the present ?

I just realized that it’s not possible when connected to the present. As the breeze blows the leaves move every moment in a different direction the birds and squirrels appear and disappear.

MASTER: Yes, Brilliant. Now you are really contemplating I can say...

It’s so alive and dynamic the moment i realize now.

MASTER : Yes, the whole creation comes alive and you feel you are so much more alive and not dead like.

Yes, it’s so alive.

MASTER: To me it’s like some 100 suns burning simultaneously but i deal with people always who are like snuffed out...

I understand that now you have always brought the attention to nature every movement of the leaves seems so fascinating.

MASTER: Yes, never the same. The sunrise, the skies, the clouds, the breeze, the birds, the stars, the moon, the whole universe but only man wants a permanent and fixed life...When the birds come to the window to drink water do you think it is worried about tomorrow?

No, and everything in nature is like that the bird needs water at that moment it drinks and flies away.

MASTER : Yes, it comes there with its memory of water but it does not suffer or enjoy the previous day's experience while drinking today it does not carry the experiences.

Yes, so totally in the present.

MASTER :Only that they are not aware that it is present they lack the awareness of the present.

Their mind is not evolved?

MASTER : Yes

Human beings because of an evolved mind have gone away from the present.

MASTER : Due to evolved mind they are aware of many things and mostly of past as habit and present rarely and future mostly..

Human beings also part of nature but because of an evolved mind mostly lingers in the past and future cause they want to be fixed and not want change and change is inevitable .

MASTER: Yes.

Seems clear now Master.

MASTER: OK, its not some sacrifice of desires or some ambitions and somehow accept the present.

I don't understand what you saying.

MASTER : Sometimes i feel that you are missing out something by bringing you to the present as if you would be lot more happier if the future is promised and past desires are fulfilled etc…

Promise of a secured future?

MASTER : Yes .

Yes, that was when i believed there was a future possible and it needs to be secure but when its eternally NOW then the understanding is everything is going a natural way then the thought for future does not arise.

MASTER: Great ! the thought of future can rise but it does not cloud the present .

I don’t understand this completely in the present thoughts of future could arise but they do not influence the present moment? Its just a passing thought?

MASTER : Just planning but not expecting that exactly the same plan should happen and also not expecting that it may not happen but just plan and start working it may happen or change course and modify but its OK.

Planning for future and doing what ever needs to be done but not being fixed that it should happen that way only.

MASTER : YES

This is important i never understood this properly.

MASTER : Most people don’t understand this..

I thought thinking about future itself is an indication that i'm not in the present.

MASTER: Need not be.

In the present planning the future and accepting all the changes as it happens.

MASTER : Yes..

2008-11-17T10:08:00.000-08:00

DIALOG -12

I don’t think i completely understand "being in the present moment". When I’m making tea the mind has already shifted to the next action of going to the market and is not much involved in the tea making but rushes to finish and do the next thing. Does this mean it has gone to the future? I’m becoming aware of a feeling - rushing towards the next thing to do.

MASTER : Exactly, because when you go to the market too, your mind may not be involved in the market and shopping but already rushed to the next thing...

Yes, it’s always ahead.

MASTER : Body is doing something and mind is involved in another different thing altogether...

Exactly, that means the mind is not in the present action!

MASTER : Disconnected from the present .

So whenever I’m aware of that, I need to bring my mind into the present action. You told me once it is ok to remember the past but experience the past in the present is not ok even though there may not be an experience the mind still travels to past conversations and memories.

MASTER: Yes

When the mind is remembering these does it mean it’s not in the present?

MASTER : It is in the present only mind cannot go anywhere neither to past nor to future...

I don’t understand.

MASTER : Mind only 'brings' past memories to the present Mind only 'projects' the future possibilities and plans but never really travels anywhere...

Then it’s always in the present ?

MASTER True! Only it gets muddied with past and future.

How does it get muddied?

MASTER: When the present moment is lived with the help of past memories then it is muddied and when the present moment is used for projecting future then also it gets muddied...

When the present moment is lived with the help of past memories - that is the present is lived with the physiologic blocks of past experiences like fear, insecurity, ect?

MASTER : If the road is bad at the corner down the road and if you got used to it then every time you take the car the mind will already go to that bad road (Even before you go there) and make your present moment miserable... the mind need not actually go but it brings the memories from the past to the present.

Need not actually go there physically but mentally, the mind brings the past memories to the present.

MASTER : Yes, nothing can go to the past because the past is dead already if a picture shot in the past and saved in the desktop and when you browse for the picture you are not going to past but only trying to bring the picture in the present shot in the past and when you see the picture you may re experience what you see in the present moment too which is what muddying the present with the past data.
Contemplate on this we will continue later...

2008-11-02T21:31:00.000-08:00

DIALOG -11

I have some questions on consciousness i would like to ask you when you’re free.

MASTER : You can now.

I understand that consciousness is the changeless state of mind. All human beings have consciousness but i don’t understand that it's present everywhere. That it’s all pervading i know from knowledge but i haven’t realized it yet.

MASTER : Not just human beings but all that is living and dieing and even the dead they all are made up of the same stuff called consciousness.

How do you know that Master? It can’t be seen and can be experienced only within.

MASTER : Because you can't remove the name and form of what you see you can't understand that what you see is already consciousness and your little mind has imagined consciousness to be some special thing like 'white light' glowing etc so you also have made some secret space meant for its existence (within you) and these things cause the 'blindness' and this blindness is what is known as ignorance.

So i need to understand that all that i see despite its name and form is consciousness, that consciousness is the source of everything living and non living, everything in existence has consciousness as its source?

MASTER : Not as source but as it is, the essence and expression both. Source and the outcome both in fact they are not even different from each other that division what causes the misery and sorrow and the bondage...

So there is no separate source and expression.?

MASTER : There is no separate seed and tree when seed had become tree then it’s the same, then consciousness is all pervading. Now you try to match all its descriptions you will see it is fitting so well.

Before the little mind was thinking it was somebody separate from the existence now the ego realizes that it’s not separate its part of the existence or rather existence itself .

MASTER : Little mind is ego. Ego first makes mistake and then 'realize' its mistake.

Realizes its mistake of thinking it is separate?

MASTER : Yes. The mistake is that consciousness is separate and pushing it that way as a goal is the first mistake...

Existence and consciousness is the same?

MASTER : Consciousness is Existence also known as SAT as in SATYAM it means that which exist and real satya is not "promise' as many misunderstand it to be...

Seeing everything as consciousness is the realization and it was always that way.

MASTER : Yes, but at the same time it is not like trying to imagine seed on the tree but seeing the tree as tree with a realization that the 'source' of the tree is the seed and the seed cannot be seen anymore because the seed has become the tree that the source has become the effect too.

Seeing everything as it is in its form and name and knowing that its source is consciousness.

MASTER : Very well said.

I need to contemplate on this. It seems very simple but little mind resists.

MASTER : Yes, because it has been living for many years with the hope of some distant goal and the promises of reaching it someday so that it can keep you fooled today. But now when the game seems to get over suddenly it protests and agitates and refuses to accept the simple truth of existence in front of your eyes. But it wants to believe in something unseen and distant and unreachable as SAT (existence) and this way it is trapped in its own foolishness.

Yes, it suddenly feels like there is no where to reach.

MASTER : The reaching somewhere has given the comfort all the time in the name of the goal and destination and journey etc, but now to know that there is no where to go but where you are is already the place. To know that you have arrived already seem to be a shocking news because it takes away the possibilities of all the dreams of the little mind nurtured all along.

The comfort was the ultimate.

MASTER : An imagined comfort. The mind refuses to accept the present moment of existence because it appears to the little mind that what it sees and experiences now do not seem to match the dreamy destination it had created and sustained secretly so long...

Yes, the comfort that was given all value and tried to sustain everything from the comfort of a mate to the comfort of luxury there are all now only ideas and cannot give stability.

MASTER : Those ideas will drop out soon after the realization of the existence in the present moment happened for real besides, the mind is not yet aware of the goodies which the present moment contains and by realizing the existence in the present moment can bring more benefits than the imaginations by the little mind of some distant goal to be reached someday without a clue!

Yes Master, will contemplate on this. Grateful to you for the knowledge you’ve made it so simple.

MASTER : It gets simpler as you grow more and more aware of the present rather as you drop more and more of the future and past matters. I have been saying the same and in so many ways but only when the mind attains some maturity and subtlety it seem to suddenly find the whole thing so simple...

2008-10-29T04:05:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 10

MASTER: So it was a quiet day?

Yes, very quiet.

MASTER: The meaningless excitement, of a day is useless...

Yes, I understand that, and before i used to go outwards now i go inwards i understand its “FOREVER NOW”.

MASTER: This Moment Eternally.

Yes, Eternally Now.

MASTER : But people don’t like it or it don’t appeal to people because they think the present moment is so boring and they think eternally they will be bored but they don’t know that the eternally present moment is dynamic and changes all the time..

Yes, i see that every moment is a mystery.

MASTER: Changelessly changing. Consciousness is unchanging but it causes all the changes

Consciousness is unchanging i understand but causes all the changes ? It supports all the changes is it the same?

MASTER: Support means as if the changes are caused by someone else? Changes themselves cannot cause change in order to cause a change one should be changeless you can’t be running and driving a running car, BUT have to sit without running and quietly drive a speeding car .If you have to make the typing happen then it requires someone to sit quietly, steadily and then type (that’s you). Cooking, eating, talking, everything is like that .

I don’t know if i understand this completely. Before the mind was wanting to do its own way now realizes that it has to drop its own way and just go with the changes around without a complaint or joy. Is this the same as what you’re saying?

MASTER: Is mind different from consciousness?

I still see it as two but it’s actually one from knowledge but not yet in experience.
Experience is still a division

MASTER: Sun and light are one or different?

They seem different but are the same.

MASTER: In fact there is no separate sun. If there is no light we think that there is something separate other than mind which is consciousness but there is no separate consciousness other than mind and body and breath and all tangible things put together...

Oh, mind and consciousness are the same .

MASTER: Yes but all minds together is consciousness, like all oceans are nothing but water.

My mind alone is not consciousness but all minds together are consciousness?

MASTER : Your mind alone is consciousness too, but its just one part of consciousness one small piece not just mind but body too.

My mind is a part of total consciousness?

MASTER: Yes,But mind always used to objectify consciousness as something different from itself

Yes that’s my experience.

MASTER : The problem in that is the consciousness when objectified then it becomes limited of some shape and name and has its own place like may things we see in the world many but consciousness is all pervading then how can it be objectified? or given an exclusive place ?? It is both in the seeker and the sought...

Its in both there cannot be an exclusive place.

MASTER: So everything happening is in the purview of consciousness. Still you may want to think that consciousness is present along with the mind all the minds like some coating ..

Consciousness is including mind.?

MASTER: Everything is consciousness only. There is NOTHING other than consciousness. When it’s not known then the world appears with so many divisions. You are totally called as a Human Being, but also can be called as Legs, hands, head, etc. Woman, wife, mother, neighbor, disciple, guru and so many things.But all those things, indicate just the human being.

Yes, they are different roles but it’s the same human being.

MASTER: Are 'you' different from human being? NOT so but then people see you as 'you' separate from the plain human being that 'you' is ego which is not actually different from human being even the ego can exist only within the human being not separate...

Every human being is consciousness and till now i have been seeing every human being as different cause the mind was seeing divisions but now the same mind is consciousness.

MASTER: When the mind sees divisions it’s called as ego when the same mind sees oneness then its consciousness but otherwise there is no difference...

It’s just to shift the thinking from seeing differences to oneness?

MASTER: To see the big picture the whole painting as one with all its varied subjects and colors and characters inside.

The whole of existence!

MASTER: Yes!

I would contemplate on this i’m not an isolated individual but part of the whole existence and everything is part of the whole.

MASTER: Yes, when the parts suddenly appear individually exclusive then the divisions begin the individual parts are called as ego.

Ego = divided consciousness.

Yes, I understand now, seeing myself as an individual is the ego. Seeing myself as part of existence is the truth. BOW DOWN TO EXISTANCE AND STAND TALL EVERYWHERE is the ego is dropped or rather the ego bows down to existence?

MASTER: Ego merges with total.

Right it merges.

MASTER: Not like the way two different companies merge but in this case its like furniture merge in wood ice cube merge with water heat merge with sun (Its not merging actually) but as though merged because they were ALWAYS ONE.

Not merged they were always one?

MASTER: Space inside the room your sitting and the space outside the room in open space are as though separate now because of the wall in between but if the wall pulled down the inside and outside space will merge? Does it really merge?

Not really!

MASTER: Were they ever separate?

No, never seperate either.

MASTER: So ‘merging’, uniting, surrendering, absorbing is all just terminologies but nothing ever is separate...

It’s not separate but was thinking it was separate and now as thought has to merge.

MASTER: Yes as if merging, as if became one again, realizing that it’s already ONE, is realization. Becoming aware of the fact that nothing ever was separated but always remained ONE is awareness. Without a second, always was ONE, it is inseparably ONE can’t be separated but can be seen differently by the limited mind.

When the mind is limited it sees the divisions when expanded it realizes that it’s always been one.

MASTER: Yes, to see someone as
1. Son
2. Boy
3. Male
4. Human being
5. Consciousness
is a choice for the mind according to its limitations it would see differently...

Yes i have been seeing them as four different aspect and missed the consciousness totally but will see him as consciousness hence forth.

MASTER : You see him as son when you see him from the eyes of a’ mother'.
You see him as boy when you see from eyes of a woman.
You see him as male when you see him from the eyes of a female.
You see him as human being when you think you are a fellow human being.
You see him as consciousness when you see him from you as consciousness.
Unless you know yourself to be total consciousness you cannot see it in others...

Yes, i understand this Master, I need to see myself as total consciousness and then every one as total consciousness.

MASTER: Once you realize yourself to be THAT the Consciousness then you don’t even have to try in others to see consciousness but its automatic...

Yes it’s automatic.

MASTER: -If what clothes you wear alone matters then you would be seeing only clothes of people.
-if what car you drive alone matters then you would see only that outside.
-if you see from your body then you would see only bodies.
-if you see from your mind then you see only minds (you don’t care what clothes they wear and what car they drive).
and if you see this world from the consciousness stand platform then you see only that everywhere...
IT MATTERS WHERE YOU STAND AND SEE.

YES it’s very clear now

MASTER: That’s why Self Realization automatically leads to total realization. Self Awareness leads to Total Awareness. THE WORK BEGINS AT HOME - from you.

Yes, once self realized then everything just seen from the SELF point of view.

MASTER: Because the SELF in you is the same SELF in everyone it’s the same original SEED that’s present in all the branches all the leaves all the flowers the whole tree has the same SEED'
SEED = self
Tree = universe
SEED became TREE
SELF became UNIVERSE
SELF = Consciousness
You just try to understand from where you stand and see this world..
this much you do for now..

Yes, Master.

MASTER : The rest we will go step by step..

2008-10-28T09:31:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 9

I don’t feel ok today.

MASTER: What can i say?

Watch the minds interpretations, come to the present moment.

MASTER: You seem to know them all but that’s the truth, and everything else, however nice they may feel may Not be the truth...

I know I’m trying but it still feels difficult some how.

MASTER: But you have two most vital things at your disposal.

What is that Master?

MASTER 1. Space
2. Time

Yes, that’s why all this stuff is coming out. It was easier when occupied in some work.

MASTER : But that’s just ignoring or repressing but now in the time space dimensions everything is flushing out but if you use the same time space for feeling misery then the problems will multiply..

Just i would have to watch all the interpretations and not get influenced by them?

MASTER: Yes, if you get influenced then the same time space will become a major manufacturing unit of miseries...

Yes, Master not to get influenced is where I’m having trouble.

MASTER 1. Not to get influenced.
2. Observe them carefully.
3. Do not run away or ignore.
4. Understand the falseness of the ideas.
5. Find out what’s before and after an idea.the idea is only temporary but there is something which accommodates all these ideas and what is that??? focus on that.
6. Then it’s automatic that the influence is stopped…..

That’s the awareness, should I focus on the awareness?

MASTER: Consciousness. Awareness is the quality of consciousness.

Oh! I was thinking it’s the same.that consciouness and awareness are the same.

MASTER: Same like heat and sun
Sun = Consciousness
Heat = Awareness
Sat + Chit + Ananda = Consciousness
Sat = Eternity
Chit = Awareness
Ananda = Bliss
These are the typical characteristics of consciousness...

I’m not able to relate to them. I have some awareness of the mind and the awareness of the awareness

MASTER : Asat = feeling limited
Achit = lack of awareness
Anananda = no bliss but blisters
may be they can be understood?

Yes, i understand that.

MASTER: That’s it ! then opposite of it is consciousness but the later list is of mind...

Ok, will contemplate on this.

2008-10-27T21:04:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 8

I have been contemplating about the SELF and becoming aware of the blocks that are surfacing.

MASTER: Ok, whenever mind functions without any connectivity with consciousness, on its own, you call all that as blocks.

Without connectivity with consciousness does it mean when the mind is rattling, when it’s not in the present moment?

MASTER: Yes, whenever mind ruled by non present and non future thoughts the mind tend to lose the quality of the consciousness it becomes rather sub conscious, it is not conscious of the present and when it’s functioning from sub conscious (past and future) then full conscious effect has gone. So whatever happens, or said, or done is all distorted...

Even when awake the subconscious mind is working?

MASTER: Yes all the time in fact. Most people see, smell, taste, hear and touch from the subconscious memories. While in the Himalayas they remember Ooty and describe Ooty's beauty.

So i need to program the subconscious to be in the present only?

MASTER: Program the subconscious? Then it’s not subconscious, instead you should be more conscious of what IS. You can look at sub conscious from conscious mind that may not harm but the other way will be difficult.

Ok, that is being aware of the blocks which are in the subconscious, then I’m in the conscious state?

MASTER: Yes

Releasing the block of the past subconscious, Ok i understand it now.

MASTER: Good

The more i am in the present the consciousness is working and the subconscious is releasing the blocks.

MASTER: Exhausting the blocks, yes...

2008-10-12T02:16:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 7

When asleep I’m not aware of the world or the body or the thoughts, everything seems to disappear where do they all go?

MASTER: They don’t go anywhere everything remains where ever they are, just that your ability to be aware of them is muted which does not happen only in sleep but even when you are awake many times you may not be aware of your body or even your breath or the surroundings but the chances of being aware of them is bright while you are awake but in sleep the chances almost nil because the mind has folded itself and became dysfunctional.

So, in sleep i have lost awareness, as the mind has become dysfunctional?

MASTER : Yes.

Upon awaking does everything comes back ?

MASTER : Nothing comes back but you go back to them.

What does that mean? How am i going back to them?

MASTER : The world or objects are not interested in you but your interest will get you back to them. The computer will sit in the same place but you will go to the computer...

That is upon waking?

MASTER : Yes

The mind goes back to the world and the thought.

The mind goes back with the help of thoughts. The first thing mind goes to is SPACE .The second thing it goes back to is TIME , which place you are and what time it is .They happen so quickly then slowly everything else will enter.

But where is the consciousness when all this is happening?

MASTER : The question 'where' itself is wrong when it comes to consciousness because when we ask 'where' then we are trying to locate it to some particular place but it is everywhere, even as you withdraw from the world, and then go to sleep later you wake up and then become aware of you and this world and your relationship with it...

Ok ! consciousness is there but my awareness is of the world and the thoughts and not of consciousness?

MASTER: Yes, when you are awake your attention is on everything else except consciousness.

Ok , got it!

MASTER : Though you are paying attention the consciousness alone is enabling you to do so.

Only I’m not aware of that?

MASTER : Many others too .

So how does one become aware of the consciousness? Are there any techniques for becoming aware?

MASTER : Yoga, pranayama, meditation are such techniques only to get one to be aware of the consciousness.

What do you mean by only to get aware, is there anything else other than being aware?

MASTER: It appears that most people think of being aware of everything except the
consciousness though it’s not wrong or a crime still its baffling to see how people can go on without even thinking on those lines...

Yes, people are busy in a rat race lost in the world.

MASTER : Yes, but nobody stops them to run in the race. Let them run but at the same time they should also know what enables them to run and where does this running finally end ? What awaits after the end? Is there really an end to this run? Why this running has become inevitable? Can life be possible without the running? etc are the natural questions that should come up but it appears there is no 'time' for all these questions..

Yes, that’s true, never asked these questions. It seemed that to be in the race, was the right thing to do .

MASTER : Nobody is denied of being in the race actually, but while being in the race side by side One should have these thoughts naturally but very few seem to think even as they run..

Yes, never contemplated on this.

MASTER : And when they really start to contemplate then they want to quit the race, then they become skeptical and natural haters of the world, they turn out to be disbelievers of life. Sometimes they want to end their life quickly and even talk of not returning in the next life even as they crossed hardly half of the present life..

Why do they do that?

MASTER : Earlier on they thought the race alone is real and when they start to doubt it then they don’t want to do it. It is both extremes and both are just ignorance.

What’s the right way?

MASTER :To live in the world and to be aware of the truth that there is nothing but only consciousness that keeps the world going. Which means run the race but don’t take the race seriously just run for the sake of running, enjoy it, have fun, but know that your life is already complete with or without running but then everyone is running so why not join them ?

Instead of taking the world as real be aware of the truth and live in the world, it’s actually the reverse of what is happening now.

MASTER : What is that?

All along have been taking the world to be real and not seeking the truth but now i understand that being aware of the truth and living is the world would be complete.

MASTER : Yes, Not This Not That But Both one cannot be without other...

Yes, its not about giving up one for the other but including both but being in the truth and living in the world.

Which is quite different from being in the world and searching for the truth, where the truth has become an object of search and destination etc, as if reaching somewhere at the end of a tunnel, like someone searching for the truth tells that they have objectified it, like searching for some new place on the map.

So there is no seeking the truth?

MASTER : There is seeking, but it just indicates the fact that by seeking it i have distanced it from me.

How is that i don't understand. Seeking means I’m getting closer to it. How is that I have distanced it?

MASTER: Rather separated it. That which you seek is never away from you the seeker is the sought but looking everywhere the seeker forgets he is one to be sought when he is already with himself then where the seeking is needed Anymore?

"the seeker is the sought " is not a reality for me.

MASTER :Its because you think the seeker is the body and mind so you think you don’t really seek it but you are seeking for that unknown which is hidden inside you and you are not aware and that hidden thing is not something you own but it is you and that you is owning a mind and body.

I am seeking, but I’m not aware i am seeking ? and what I'm seeking is already inside me?

MASTER : Yes, everyone is seeking but they get disappointed with what they seek soon after they find it, so they seek for something else and something more and they don’t know what is that which can make them feel complete, still they seek, because the nature of human mind is to seek..

YES, that’s true, I’m seeking all the time and still feel incomplete although i get what i seek it looses its value soon and again i’m seeking something else.

MASTER : So everyone is a seeker that way...

Yes, so what will make them feel complete?

MASTER : When they realize that what they seek is the 'self' and not its manifestations...

What are the manifestations?

MASTER: EVERYTHING You see, smell, taste, touch, feel and think, emote, contemplate and meditate upon they are all manifestations only.

And what is inside me is the SELF?

MASTER : Inside means then there seem to be some special location for the self it is neither inside nor outside but every side hidden and not visible to the naked eyes...

You mean the self is everywhere but we experience it as its manifestations?

MASTER : Exactly, like wood is everywhere but you see it as chair only.

But the experience of the self as self is possible?

MASTER : No it is NOT possible Though many people build up much fantastic theory around this it is still not possible because to experience the pure self the mind is not equipped the mind's features are limited only to the worldly experiences.

Its not possible to experience the self, then how can seeking the self give the feeling of completeness without an experience?

MASTER: By knowing that you are already complete . Completeness is not to be achieved but to be realized.

Ok, it’s not about an experience but realizing that I’m already complete.?

MASTER : Yes, and then the experiences start, you begin to experience the same world in a different light.

Once realized the experience of the world is different.

MASTER : True

Realization happens using the mind?

MASTER : Yes, along with intellect .

Realization happens using the mind and intellect?

MASTER: Yes, without mind and intellect the realization is not possible in fact without them there in no need for realization.

2008-09-24T09:54:00.000-07:00

DAILOG- 6

I’m not sure if the topic ended or anything else to be added.

MASTER : There is no ending it is an on going topic because if you can end the topic on consciousness then it appears as if consciousness is limited.

Yes of course.

MASTER: That’s how there has been endless writings on the same topic from so many individuals because the consciousness provides so much scope to ponder, contemplate and also arrive to some understanding and experience which can be quite unique to each one.

Yes, I’m becoming aware of that more and more.

MASTER: The possibilies are endless in fact. There is no standard defined way of understanding consciousness which also means the experience also is endless. In other words the experience of pure consciousness by the mind is on going always and seeming endless.

What are the possibilities like?

MASTER: Possibilities of various perceptions on the same consciousness. The perceptions are endless. In other words each one understands the nature of consciousness in some particular manner. Which appears as the final truth to oneself.

Yes, is that why oneness seem difficult? So many views on the surface ?

MASTER: But everyone has some view about consciousness they sometimes call it as oneness sometimes call it as awareness sometimes as blissfulness and some call it as happiness.

The problem is holding on to ones own view as the only one?

MASTER : Yes .

2008-09-24T09:48:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 5

During the beauty pageant “miss universe” on TV, I saw the participants from different countries around the world. Every individual looked different and unique. There are oriental looks, American, European, Asian, Japanese, and then I turn from the stage into the audience and then a thousand more different faces. How is the same consciousness expressing in different appearances.

MASTER: The consciousness is not something different from the faces you see on TV. It is just an idea that consciousness looks uniformly same just because it is ONE. The Oneness need not be similar but it can change. As I explained earlier, the various parts of the body can appear to be different from each other but they are all ONE with reference to the person. ONE need not be like a sheet of metal without any change in it, but it can have many bits and pieces and still can be ONE.

This is what seems difficult to understand bits and pieces but still ONE!

MASTER: OK! Now tell me you are one or many?

i am one.

MASTER : The - I - in you is just one. Right?

Yes, that’s easy to understand.

MASTER : Then are the parts in you just same?

No they are different, but when i think of them as my body then they seem like one.

MASTER: Yes, similarly when your mind can expand to include all the faces then you realize they are all same.

So it’s just my thinking that every different face is different from me. I should be thinking that all the different faces although appear different are still a part of me.

MASTER: True, You need not think they are part of you, but you can think that including your face all faces together makes up one universal consciousness.

Yes, including myself too as part of the universal consciousness, i have been seeing myself as outside this. Me and the rest.

MASTER: Yes, just imagine if your left hand thought that your right hand is a rival because it did not see the connectivity but saw the other hand independently.

That would be divided.

MASTER: That division is called as ignorance or faulty vision and to see the connectivity is the right vision or reality or Truth, the connectivity is a reality.

But to me it’s still a thought. Why is that it’s not a reality for me?

MASTER: In fact the division also is just a thought and not a reality but a deep rooted thought, so it seem to be stuck with you .

Lets continue later again….

2008-09-24T09:35:00.000-07:00

DIALOG - 4

I watch a rich man in the comfort and luxury of wealth, on the other hand there is also a poor man on the street not even guaranteed his next meal. Is the consciousness in the rich man and the poor the same?

MASTER : Yes, pretty much the same as space. The space supporting the existence of rich or the poor man is never rich or poor itself. But it accommodates both. So also the consciousness in both of them is the same.

If they are the same then should not both be rich or both poor?

MASTER: The rich or poor is only based on the money factor. That inequality comes from our external interpretations. May be the poor man is healthier than the rich man and hence happier than the rich man too. But if you asked how does one consciousness create so many differences outside, then we have to understand the dynamics of the mind. The consciousness as one is expressing differently and appears diversified.

When it is diversified how can it still be one?

MASTER: Its like human body with diversified parts like hands and legs and head and fingers, but eventually there is only one -I- who seem to pervade the diversified body, so also the consciousness appears to be diversified and just like how the -I- is never seen to the naked eyes but only the various parts of human body, the consciousness also is not seen by the naked eyes but only the diversified world seem to be visible.

So consciousness can never been seen as one it can ONLY be seen as diversity?

MASTER : The oneness or the diversity is only a matter of interpretation again. The same things appear sometimes as Oneness and in other times as many. Most people see it as many and a few rare individuals see it as all one.

Who are the rare few who see it as one? Do they have a special vision?

MASTER: These few are known as 'awakened ones' and they seem to have a special vision indeed only because they could see things as they are without any interpretation.

2008-09-24T09:16:00.000-07:00

DAILOG - 3

About the interpretations of the mind and the fears that surface, do i just need to be aware that its garbage coming out, and it’s not about the outside situations, but how my mind interprets it.?

MASTER : True...

When will the interpretations loose its significance?

MASTER : Outside situations are always the same but when you are in the right place with right people then your mind interprets differently, and when in the wrong place and with wrong people then it interprets differently because the consciousness always is the same, only mind is seeing it in so many ways.

Does consciousness supports any interpretation?

MASTER : Yes

Whether in the right place or not?

MASTER: Even the right and wrong place is an interpretation.

So do I just ignore the interpretations?

MASTER : Rather know that they are just interpretations because it’s important to know what’s the interpretation by people in a particular situation and act accordingly.

Act according to other people’s interpretation?

MASTER: According means understanding others, if you ignore then you may not know what’s their problem or pain or suffering you may fail to see their 'point of view' if you have to really understand this world then you should really know what the interpretation of this world is.

So I need to ignore my own minds interpretation and need to understand other’s interpretation of the world?

MASTER : Understand yours and others equally and also understand that they are all just interpretations only and that the world runs by interpretations only, sometimes yours is better than others and others can be better than yours sometimes.

Yes, i understand that there are so many perceptions.

MASTER : So whichever is the best and most suitable should be taken for application but finally its all interpretation. Only the 'guru' may not have his own interpretation mostly but supposed to execute the best interpretation available at a situation to suit most people.

Why does the guru not have any interpretations? Guru has a mind also!

MASTER :His interpretation is not born of his individual perception but its somewhat influenced by others he takes a stand which may not even benefit him personally and sometimes he would take a stand that may not benefit somebody else particularly it can even hurt someone but that’s not his personal stand point it’s only an influenced standpoint which benefits most people and he should be aware of it well.

He’s looking at life from all points of view and choosing a stand point

MASTER: Ideally yes. That’s what enlightenment is all about, so finally there is no way one can ignore the interpretations but just be aware of them and choose the most suitable one while knowing every interpretation available in a situation...

Awareness to the interpretations is important?

MASTER 1. Interpretations are unavoidable.
2. Ignorance of interpretations cause suffering.
3. Taking interpretations to be real is ignorance.
4. Getting carried away by interpretation causes sorrow or excitement or even fear.
5. Knowing one's own interpretations and being aware of them is beginning of wisdom.
6. To be aware of others interpretations and respect that is deepening your wisdom.
7. To be able to drop your own interpretation is compassion.
8. To choose the best interpretation available that benefit most makes you wise.
9. The readiness to change the stand and adapt other interpretations to move ahead in life frees you from bondage.
10. To create an interpretation when all interpretations are wrong or inefficient and give that to others to stand by makes you a guru eventually...

Consciousness = no interpretations

Mind = full of interpretations

Rooted in consciousness and able to be aware of the mind's interpretations and then pick or drop according to the situation makes an individuals life more meaningful...

When I'm aware of the interpretations am i rooted in the consciousness?

MASTER : Need not be rooted but just placed but when you are aware of all interpretations consistently all the time then you can say that you are rooted it takes a bit of time to get rooted.

2008-09-24T09:08:00.000-07:00

DAILOG - 2

Consciousness is a word i keep hearing all the time. I can’t even imagine what it's like cause I don’t know how it looks or what it means. What is this consciousness actually?

MASTER: Consciousness is the backdrop for this whole creation. It is the source, for this creation. If we call this world as CREATION then there has to be a CREATOR for that creation. That Creator is called as Consciousness.

So in other words consciousness can be called as god?

MASTER: Precisely, what people want to call as GOD is nothing but consciousness only.

But god as a source i don’t understand. God is someone i go to when in trouble

MASTER: You go to God when in trouble for the same reason, to find some solution from God being the source. If you have a tooth ache you would go to a dentist, the source of dental sciences, and a resourceful person.

It’s easy to go to the dentist because he is available at a particular place and can be seen. Is it the same with consciousness?

MASTER: It may not be easy and that’s why man gave a name and form to the same consciousness as god and placed that god in temples and churches and tried to identify god as someone.

So the god in the temples and the churches is the same as the god in consciousness?

MASTER: Rather consciousness is the same in God in temples and outside the temples and churches too! The places of worship have all kinds of Gods according to the imagination of the man but they all represent the same consciousness.

All gods of the same religion have the same consciousness. What about the gods of different religions?

MASTER : Gods in any place of worship only 'represent ' consciousness. Nobody is bothered if God is containing consciousness.

Yes, nobody is bothered if god is containing consciousness.

MASTER: Nobody is ever bothered to ask the source of the Gods anyway. Because they think Gods in these places of worship created the world, so it could be wrong to ask who created these Gods.

Why is it important to know the source?

MASTER: It is not important but it is a natural urge for anyone to find the source.

If its the natural urge then why are people not asking about the source? It should be a natural thing to ask is it not ?

MASTER: They are asking. May be they have a different language and they don’t know the terminology called 'Consciousness' but in their own ways they search for the same.There are many ways people try to find the same source.

Ok, i understand that every one is actually searching for the source.

MASTER:Correct

2008-09-10T12:24:00.001-07:00

Dear master, i wish to ask a few questions on this most confusing topic called Consciousness. I understand that a proper theoretic knowledge of the Truth leads to proper realization of the same. In this process I may ask very basic questions on consciousness just to clarify every possible doubt on the topic. I have a plan to put it up on a blog with your permission. Is that OK?

DAILOG - 1

I watch a rich man in the comfort and luxury of wealth on the other hand there is also a poor man on the street not even guaranteed his next meal. Is the consciousness in the rich man and the poor the same?

MASTER : Yes, pretty much the same as space. The space supporting the existence of rich or the poor man is never rich or poor itself, but it accommodates both. So also the consciousness in both of them is the same.

If they are the same then should not both be rich or both poor?

MASTER : The rich or poor is only based on the money factor. That inequality comes from our external interpretations. May be the poor man is healthier than the rich man and hence happier than the rich man too. But if you asked how does one consciousness create so many differences outside, then we have to understand the dynamics of the mind.

The consciousness as one is expressing differently and appears diversified.When it is diversified how can it still be one?

MASTER : Its like human body with diversified parts like hands and legs and head and fingers, but eventually there is only one -I- who seem to pervade the diversified body. So also the consciousness appears to be diversified and just like how the -I- is never seen to the naked eyes but only the various parts of human body, the consciousness also is not seen by the naked eyes but only the diversified world seem to be visible.

So consciousness can never been seen as one it can ONLY be seen as diversity?

MASTER : The oneness or the diversity is only a matter of interpretation again. The same things appear sometimes as Oneness and in other times as many. Most people see it as many and a few rare individuals see it as all one.

Who are the rare few who see it as one? Do they have a special vision?

MASTER : These few are known as 'awakened ones' and they seem to have a special vision indeed only because they could see things as they are without any interpretation.